tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post3034326246214023914..comments2023-11-03T02:44:56.790-07:00Comments on Fortress: Ameritrash: In Agricola, you're a farmer in a wooden shack with your spouse and little elseMatt Throwerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04426055092986158446noreply@blogger.comBlogger136125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-25996372113177332062012-11-16T15:57:39.801-08:002012-11-16T15:57:39.801-08:00xanax buy online no prescription buy xanax no pres...<a href="http://buyxanaxonlineca.com/#buy-xanax-online" rel="nofollow">xanax buy online no prescription</a> buy xanax no prescription overnight - 1 mg xanax high doseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-38112956336499680282011-12-19T14:33:26.416-08:002011-12-19T14:33:26.416-08:00They like it because the early ratings on BGG esse...They like it because the early ratings on BGG essentially told them to. As well, it was something of an exotic and elusive item at the start, because the English-language edition was initially in very short supply.viagra onlinehttp://www.mutualpharmacy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-21944655709038801902008-11-24T12:03:00.000-08:002008-11-24T12:03:00.000-08:00Ryan Walberg wrote (some long time ago, but I just...Ryan Walberg wrote (some long time ago, but I just stumbled upon it today):<BR/><BR/><I>Any designer that contacts a BGGer regarding their rating of his/her game should immediately be banned. I got a big long GeekMail from "joe huber" regarding my rating for Ice Cream. I could have debated the (lack of) merits with him but in the end I just didn't reply at all, which is precisely the message I wanted to send him.</I><BR/><BR/>The following is the message I sent to Ryan, in it's entirity:<BR/><BR/>"Ryan,<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Terrible, probably the worst game that ever played me. The decisions in this game -- as rare as they are -- are completely based on speculation. I wonder if it was playtested? After we played the first round we re-read all the BGG reviews, trying to figure out what we were doing wrong. We were "playing" correctly, it's just not a passable game, let alone a good one.</I> <BR/><BR/>First, and foremost - I'm not writing in an attempt to change your mind, your rating, or your comment. You're free to them, and it's not my intent to attempt to change them. (Which is not to say that I don't hope they change - but I certainly don't find that a game that I have this strong a negative reaction to hits the table again for any such change to occur.)<BR/><BR/>However, I did want to answer a question, and ask a question.<BR/><BR/>First, the answer - Ice Cream was playtested, dozens and dozens of times. And what Face2Face found, in their playtests, was that kids enjoyed the game, and as such it worked well as a family game. Larry has told me that they would not have published it save for that. OTOH, Out of the Box found that the game didn't have enough control for their preferences - a similar, if milder, version of your own reaction.<BR/><BR/>Now, the question - I'm curious what you mean about decisions being completely based upon speculation. I have a guess, but rather than - sorry - speculating, I wanted to check.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Joe"<BR/><BR/>I was hoping to get useful feedback; instead I got silence, so I dropped the issue. (Had I known it would bother Ryan so much, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place, but so be it.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-88991407172795883252007-12-05T23:10:00.000-08:002007-12-05T23:10:00.000-08:00Anyways, I read most of the thread on the geek and...Anyways, I read most of the thread on the geek and holy shit, some people need to get a life (Just call me the Pot as I'm posting this at 2 in the morning). But geeze...someone might have to wait weeks. I wonder if he's the same dweeb that took two hours to open a box?Mikoyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08233567334731737103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-5967087310106492542007-12-05T22:03:00.000-08:002007-12-05T22:03:00.000-08:00Why is it when I hear the term medieval farming, I...Why is it when I hear the term medieval farming, I think of the Runettes?<BR/><BR/>"To plow it in the winter...sew it with as many oxen...sew it with many......"<BR/><BR/>"Oh it written in the village roles....."Mikoyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08233567334731737103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-57898052037426188152007-11-26T21:15:00.000-08:002007-11-26T21:15:00.000-08:00I'm starting to wonder what this blog is about: lo...<I>I'm starting to wonder what this blog is about: love for AT games or showing off how lame Eurogame themes and mechanics are (in your oppinion)?</I><BR/><BR/>Speaking of this, has anyone noticed that you earn victory points in Cuba by paying taxes?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00034918237399951593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-31913839425304917292007-11-26T08:10:00.000-08:002007-11-26T08:10:00.000-08:00Barnes is definitely Tupac. Despite being "dead",...Barnes is definitely Tupac. Despite being "dead", he's still quite prolific.Ken B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01621793460967739987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-57608667679599023062007-11-26T08:04:00.001-08:002007-11-26T08:04:00.001-08:00Juniper said...Well said, Van. Maybe we need to se...<I><BR/>Juniper said...<BR/>Well said, Van. Maybe we need to set up a "Eurotrash Palazzo" blog and set up an East Coast-West Coast hiphop feud with F:At. You can be Suge Knight and Ken can be Puff Daddy.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>:dangles Ken out the Window:<BR/><BR/>So now, what was your favorite game again, homie?<BR/><BR/>Actually, I am a little concerned about being Suge - he *did* go to prision, no? I think of all the places I would *not* like to play board games it would be in prison. Although I supposed one may see some interesting err, "house rules" and "variants" there...<BR/><BR/>The burning question implied though is who is Biggy and Tupac?vandemoniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08495909244705624578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-67663609132584045402007-11-26T08:04:00.000-08:002007-11-26T08:04:00.000-08:00Puff-Daddy?Does this mean I need to start putting ...Puff-Daddy?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Does this mean I need to start putting "Uh huh, yeah" repeatedly in all my articles and reviews?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Lionheart is a decent game that needs more meat on its bones. Uh huh, yeah."Ken B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01621793460967739987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-49011480320846883242007-11-26T07:34:00.000-08:002007-11-26T07:34:00.000-08:00Well said, Van. Maybe we need to set up a "Eurotr...Well said, Van. Maybe we need to set up a "Eurotrash Palazzo" blog and set up an East Coast-West Coast hiphop feud with F:At. You can be Suge Knight and Ken can be Puff Daddy.<BR/><BR/>I picked up Starcraft: the Board Game on Friday. I'm very excited about it. Maybe when MrSkeletor is reinstated, I'll post a review on BGG. Until then, how do I fix a broken Scourge unit? I mean, I know these things are basically kamikaze air-to-air bombers, but one of mine self-destructed before I even had the shrinkwrap off. The transparent post on which the figure was mounted had snapped. Maybe this was intentional, on the part of the manufacturer, and meant to impart extra Starcraft authenticity to the game?Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905667009014233372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-4177181892017579442007-11-26T07:15:00.000-08:002007-11-26T07:15:00.000-08:00I agree about Power Grid. Hell, we played The Got...I agree about Power Grid. Hell, we played The Gothic Game and underneath it all, that's not a "great" game at all. But Michael and Robert had all these crazy rules, like having to roll the dice from a special cup...<BR/><BR/>And the trash talking was legendary...especially after Michael became the vampire and just started devouring the other players. It was hilarious and memorable.<BR/><BR/>Playing that game with the wrong crowd...disaster.Ken B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01621793460967739987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-1545721161932910622007-11-26T06:39:00.000-08:002007-11-26T06:39:00.000-08:00I think all of us here are letting a couple loons ...I think all of us here are letting a couple loons really get to us (myself included - I still haven't posted again - I am now holding out until Skels can post)<BR/><BR/>One thing to remember, in the worse thread which IMO was the "inevitable 1" - was that the people who were really freaking out about the damn thing, I had NEVER heard of or seen before. I think Michael even mentioned in this thread that he had never heard of Hanno before this shit. Me neither.<BR/><BR/>I firmly believe that there is a core of good people (a lot of them hang out in Chit Chat) - but I also think there is a core of what I am going to call the lunatic fringe who are vocal. To be fair, I say let's not generalize all of "THEM" the way the lunatic fringe call us "ATers" Hell, Juniper and I are really as much or more Euro gamers.<BR/><BR/>I think anyone who has posted anything substantial to this site falls into the "Trash" of Ameritrash. I am more and more convinced that the "trash" is the key more so than "Ameri-", "Euro", "War," "Abstract", "Party", et al.<BR/><BR/>I think this really gelled for me after reading the "17 1's of Tom Vasal" geek list - which really, really, seriously pissed me off BTW (a comment deleted in Skel's olive branch thread is a rant I wrote up then decided it just wasn't f'n worth it). Anyhow, the comment that really jumped out to me and made me say "ah ha!" was this:<BR/>from<BR/>http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/26399/item/534888#item534888<BR/>TV gives the card game Dutch Blitz a 1 and says:<BR/>"I hate this game. It rewards loud, obnoxious, quick-moving fingered people. I hate this game."<BR/><BR/>"Loud, obnoxious...people"<BR/><BR/>Woah. That's us folks. That is trash.<BR/><BR/>Hello my name is Van, and I am Eurotrash.<BR/><BR/>I really think that if Ken, Skels, Juniper and Michael and I sat down and played Power Grid it would be no time at all before some one was "going nuclear on your ass!" I believe it would be a FUN session even if it isn't the type of game you are more drawn to. <BR/><BR/>I really believe that it is more of a personality/style difference that differentiates some of the personalities as much as what games we like. I mean yes, there are differences in themes and blah blah blah, that has been gone on and on about ad nauseam. But really a game is about making decisions, trying to out manuever an opponent and having fun in a social context. I think that all of "us" fall into the trash talking, Kevin Smith type of (for lack of a better term) "archetype" that Michael has mentioned before. Some of "them" are much more button downed and serious. And again for clarity's sake the "them" I refer to are probably a small minority of posters on BGG.<BR/><BR/>I think betwixt the two are an aweful lot of folks who probably just stay the hell out of the way.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I guess this is a long assed way of saying, the same thing I suggested to Juniper and that I am doing myself. Take a break. But don't be gone too long. Bgg needs variety.<BR/><BR/>Since Michael can't post it is up to the rest of us to put the metaphoric boot to the ass of BGG once in awhile. Even if for some of us it is a generally a light tap - I don't think I am anyone particularly consequential by any means - but Frank and Ken, a lot of people do watch what you guys say, so it really does matter that you are around. At least in my estimation. <BR/><BR/>It is a damn shame that Michael can't post on BGG any more (and just so you don't think I'm going all ass kissy on y'all - I do think Michael, you occasional go a bit too far...) But let's not cede the battle gentlemen. Let's us not forget what matters in life.<BR/><BR/>"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. "<BR/><BR/>And finally:<BR/><BR/>"Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"<BR/><BR/>Rest us gentlemen. The game is afoot.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Vanvandemoniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08495909244705624578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-10454773746374444072007-11-26T06:29:00.000-08:002007-11-26T06:29:00.000-08:00I think all of us here are letting a couple loons ...I think all of us here are letting a couple loons really get to us (myself included - I still haven't posted again - I am now holding out until Skels can post)<BR/><BR/>One thing to remember, in the worse thread which IMO was the "inevitable 1" - was that the people who were really freaking out about the damn thing, I had NEVER heard of or seen before. I think Michael even mentioned in this thread that he had never heard of Hanno before this shit. Me neither.<BR/><BR/>I firmly believe that there is a core of good people (a lot of them hang out in Chit Chat) - but I also think there is a core of what I am going to call the lunatic fringe who are vocal. To be fair, I say let's not generalize all of "THEM" the way the lunatic fringe call us "ATers" Hell, Juniper and I are really as much or more Euro gamers.<BR/><BR/>I think anyone who has posted anything substantial to this site falls into the "Trash" of Ameritrash. I am more and more convinced that the "trash" is the key more so than "Ameri-", "Euro", "War," "Abstract", "Party", et al.<BR/><BR/>I think this really gelled for me after reading the "17 1's of Tom Vasal" geek list - which really, really, seriously pissed me off BTW (a comment deleted in Skel's olive branch thread is a rant I wrote up then decided it just wasn't f'n worth it). Anyhow, the comment that really jumped out to me and made me say "ah ha!" was this:<BR/>from<BR/>http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/26399/item/534888#item534888<BR/>TV gives the card game Dutch Blitz a 1 and says:<BR/>"I hate this game. It rewards loud, obnoxious, quick-moving fingered people. I hate this game."<BR/><BR/>"Loud, obnoxious...people"<BR/><BR/>Woah. That's us folks. That is trash.<BR/><BR/>Hello my name is Van, and I am Eurotrash.<BR/><BR/>I really think that if Ken, Skels, Juniper and Michael and I sat down and played Power Grid it would be no time at all before some one was "going nuclear on your ass!" I believe it would be a FUN session even if it isn't the type of game you are more drawn to. <BR/><BR/>I really believe that it is more of a personality/style difference that differentiates some of the personalities as much as what games we like. I mean yes, there are differences in themes and blah blah blah, that has been gone on and on about ad nauseam. But really a game is about making decisions, trying to out manuever an opponent and having fun in a social context. I think that all of "us" fall into the trash talking, Kevin Smith type of (for lack of a better term) "archetype" that Michael has mentioned before. Some of "them" are much more button downed and serious. And again for clarity's sake the "them" I refer to are probably a small minority of posters on BGG.<BR/><BR/>I think betwixt the two are an aweful lot of folks who probably just stay the hell out of the way.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I guess this is a long assed way of saying, the same thing I suggested to Juniper and that I am doing myself. Take a break. But don't be gone too long. Bgg needs variety.<BR/><BR/>Since Michael can't post it is up to the rest of us to put the metaphoric boot to the ass of BGG once in awhile. Even if for some of us it is a generally a light tap - I don't think I am anyone particularly consequential by any means - but Frank and Ken, a lot of people do watch what you guys say, so it really does matter that you are around. At least in my estimation. <BR/><BR/>It is a damn shame that Michael can't post on BGG any more (and just so you don't think I'm going all ass kissy on y'all - I do think Michael, you occasional go a bit too far...) But let's not cede the battle gentlemen. Let's us not forget what matters in life.<BR/><BR/>"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. "<BR/><BR/>And finally:<BR/><BR/>"Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"<BR/><BR/>Rest us gentlemen. The game is afoot.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Vanvandemoniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08495909244705624578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-63712754588062303102007-11-25T21:07:00.000-08:002007-11-25T21:07:00.000-08:00I'm taking a definite leave from BGG for awhile. ...I'm taking a definite leave from BGG for awhile. I open that front page and I immediately am hit with a wave of disinterest.<BR/><BR/>Frankly the reason is that during all this Agricola whiny bullshit it finally dawned on me that on BGG it's not "one big happy family". Hell, I'm convinced that some of the people on there, we're decidedly NOT sharing the same hobby. Oh, sure, our games have similarities...they have a board and come in a box...but other than that, it's like Mars and Venus in there.<BR/><BR/>Usually I get over this stuff pretty quickly, like in a day or so, but this one's tough to digest. It made me realize that not a damn thing has changed since I've been on that site, in fact, it's WORSE. Things look nice on the surface thanks to token sanitation done here and there, but under the surface it just isn't a super-wonderful place to be.<BR/><BR/>"Bugger off, go mess with your own people." I can't remember Hanno's exact quote but it was something very similar to that. Followed by a gem from someone who went to the hand-holding extravanganza of BGG.con who said they were "glad to have spent the weekend with people that were passionate about games" rather than, you know, the unwashed masses that constitute the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>Bye, Agricola! Have fun storming the castle! God, this hobby DESERVES to remain tiny niche small-time.Ken B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01621793460967739987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-88463734416560669302007-11-22T11:36:00.000-08:002007-11-22T11:36:00.000-08:00Juniper - I am taking a BGG siesta for the time be...Juniper - I am taking a BGG siesta for the time being myself. The sad thing is that if those of us who have a similiar interests let the vitriolic lunatics chase us off they win. BGG needs people like you, Frank, Ken and the rest of the folks who post here (yes even Barnes).<BR/><BR/>So take a siesta, it does the soul good but come back and not too long. BGG is much poorer if there are not voices like yours there. That and I'd miss my wing man!<BR/><BR/>"Talk to me goose, talk to me."<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, hope you guys get some gaming in this weekend.<BR/><BR/>For Russ - I got Hannibal from Tanga (outrage #2 at BGG last week) and I am hoping to get my dad to try it out with me tonight.<BR/><BR/>Cheers guys,<BR/>Vanvandemoniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08495909244705624578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-49466165220303405222007-11-22T09:44:00.000-08:002007-11-22T09:44:00.000-08:00Oh, BTW: anybody that cares can compare the list o...Oh, BTW: anybody that cares can compare the list of playtesters in the above-linked document to the names of the BGG users that rated AGRICOLA a 9 or a 10. It's not as though all 130-whatever playtesters jumped on board and gave AGRICOLA a 10 rating. Still, the number of high ratings from AGRICOLA 'insiders' seems to be comparable (I didn't bother to take an accurate count) to the number of <B>joke</B> ratings that were added <B>with the specific expectation that they would be deleted in a day or two</B>.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter, though. BGG rankings and ratings are silly. If folks want to campaign for a game that their buddy designed by boosting its average rating, that's fine with me. I just hope that those same folks don't then bitch about temporary and well-meaning prank ratings by appealing to the argument that BGG rankings are somehow scientific, and therefore holy and inviolate.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, this is the last thing that I have to say about AGRICOLA. I don't think I've seen CAYLUS on a "What I Played At BGG.CON" geeklist <I>yet</I>; If folks are still playing AGRICOLA in a couple of years, then I'll think about taking a look at that time.<BR/><BR/>I'm involved in a math trade that will end in a week or so, and I'll probably get my copy of STARCRAFT: THE BOARDGAME at around the same time. Then I'll try to take a long vacation from BGG so that I can instead spend my leisure time <B>actually playing games</B>.Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905667009014233372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-49166522787922764592007-11-22T06:31:00.000-08:002007-11-22T06:31:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905667009014233372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-4759200213001784642007-11-22T06:30:00.000-08:002007-11-22T06:30:00.000-08:00Hey Juniper,"get your 130+ playtesters to rate it ...<I>Hey Juniper,<BR/>"get your 130+ playtesters to rate it a 10"<BR/><BR/>- Wow! Ive got to get more playtesters ;-)<BR/><BR/>Side note 1: I dont know if anyone really have 130 playtesters... Perhaps Knizia, perhaps the very very big companys...<BR/><BR/>Side note 2: Yes, I know I shouldnt really use arguments when posting here, but I cant help it...</I><BR/><BR/>You didn't use an argument. You're just airing an untested assumption that Agricola did not have over 130 playtesters.<BR/><BR/>Go to this file and read the credits on page 14:<BR/><BR/>http://files.boardgamegeek.com/geekfile_view.php?fileid=27346Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905667009014233372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-89282262357699464902007-11-22T04:53:00.000-08:002007-11-22T04:53:00.000-08:00Hey Juniper,"get your 130+ playtesters to rate it ...Hey Juniper,<BR/>"get your 130+ playtesters to rate it a 10"<BR/><BR/>- Wow! Ive got to get more playtesters ;-)<BR/><BR/>Side note 1: I dont know if anyone really have 130 playtesters... Perhaps Knizia, perhaps the very very big companys...<BR/><BR/>Side note 2: Yes, I know I shouldnt really use arguments when posting here, but I cant help it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-87022894803147479822007-11-21T16:42:00.000-08:002007-11-21T16:42:00.000-08:00Juniper: Good article. Indonesia is actually a pre...Juniper: Good article. Indonesia is actually a pretty well-themed economic game with a nod or two to 18xx games. It is also quite vicious. And not entirely in a Euro way, but in a "I'm doing this just to sink your company" way. <BR/><BR/>The cottage industry as you describe is actually picking up. Lookout, in particular is doing games like Triumvirate, which is basically a wacky 3 person wargame.<BR/><BR/>The cool thing is that Essen is being invaded by Eastern Europe. A bunch of designers who've been playing alien Russian wargames and minis games all their lives. (Seriously. Russia has some impressive plastic toy soldier manufacturers that make wargames, and some interesting multiplayer battle games.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-19927174934556422972007-11-21T06:16:00.000-08:002007-11-21T06:16:00.000-08:00A couple of corrections: I still haven't played it...A couple of corrections: I still haven't played it, but Hamburgum appears to be quicker than I thought. Since it's one of the 'rondel' games, I had assumed that it would take about three hours to complete, but apparently that's not so.<BR/><BR/>Also, I went back to check, and found that CAYLUS has about 12 pages of rules, not 16 as I had remembered. And one of those pages is just an illustration of the board, so let's call it 11. This is comparable to NAPOLEON'S TRIUMPH, which gives us, with just 9 pages of illustrated rules, a convincing historical simulation, rather than merely an abstract exercise in cube-pushing.Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05905667009014233372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-48645364490217436822007-11-20T16:54:00.000-08:002007-11-20T16:54:00.000-08:00Good post, Juniper.To add to that, the folks at Ra...Good post, Juniper.<BR/><BR/>To add to that, the folks at Ravensberger have brought out some games that have done fairly well too (Ave Caesar and Tikal, for starters). They've made games that fit on either side of the fence, cottage (Tikal) or German (Ave Caesar).<BR/><BR/>Interesting to note that there's the same sort of divide over here, but the divide is a bit more stark with the mass market American fare on one side, and all of the German/Cottage/AT/Euro/wargame stuff on the other.<BR/><BR/>--Mike L.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-28343916452050342092007-11-20T16:19:00.000-08:002007-11-20T16:19:00.000-08:00That Juniper post was fantastic. INDONESIA is pre...That Juniper post was fantastic. <BR/><BR/>INDONESIA is pretty good, though.Dennis Ugolinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948482386574208007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-79000614178474074202007-11-20T14:27:00.000-08:002007-11-20T14:27:00.000-08:00That was one hell of an awesome post Jupes. And I ...That was one hell of an awesome post Jupes. <BR/>And I pretty much agree.Mr Skeletorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17641339798508135450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811769968708731746.post-77780900403870026212007-11-20T13:45:00.000-08:002007-11-20T13:45:00.000-08:00Damn this is a long list. It is a very interestin...Damn this is a long list. It is a very interesting and informative read though. Before this list, I had only heard of Agricola on some "most-looking-forward-to" list that I was searching for interesting new games. I quickly dismissed it and heard nothing further until this post. It reinforces why I don't spend much time over at BGG. MrSkeletor's and Michael Barnes' postings of the latest blatant double standard over there are really just more drops in the bucket. When I first found BGG, I remember one of the major debates at the time was over whether or not house rules should be used. It wasn’t anything like the debates going on now, but even then I was surprised at what vehement control freaks people could be over someone else's <I>entertainment</I>.Mr Zirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15514479106047206300noreply@blogger.com